As a naive young American a few months back, I thought National Health Care would be a great addition the the US. It would provide everyone with health care and no one would be left untreated. It would create thousands of jobs. But in hearing Ron Paul preach about his anti-National Health Care views, I decided to do some research. And I have several reasons against a Universal Health Care.
1. It is not the right of the government to provide health care. And in national health care systems, all citizens eventually become required to receive check-ups, medicine, and treatment. This can just make it easier for the government to control us through pills and shots full of mind-control sedatives.
2. Quality of care will plummet. With everyone eventually getting treatment, no one will get full attention and people will get pushed to the side.
3. Waiting time will sky-rocket. It is reported that in Canada it takes twice as long to get surgery than it does in America. If someone walks in with a bullet in their leg, they may have to wait sveral hours for treatment. This long waiting period will cause unnecessary deaths.
4. Canada can only afford National Health Care because of a, “trade surplus,” with America. This makes it impossible for the US to have National Health Care at all.
5. National Health Care eliminates the right of doctor-patient confidentiality.
6. America could only truly afford a National Health Care system through increased taxation. ” “The only way the government can give one American one dollar is to confiscate it first, under intimidation, threats, and coercion, from another American. In other words, for government to do good, it must first do evil. If a private person were to do the things that government does, he would be condemned as a common thief. The only difference is legality, and legality alone is no talisman for moral people. This reasoning explains why socialism is evil. It uses bad means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people).” This quote also portrays how even more corrupt our government will be with a universal plan.
7. Everyone in the US can already receives trematode through free-clinics, emergency card-care, and community hospitals.
8. National Health care would just add to the amount of money government agencies are wasting to put America in debt.
9. National Health care would destroy hundreds or thousands of jobs because they would eventually eliminate private practises.
10. These are not theories. They are not guesses. All of these reasons are taken from and can be seen in other countries. Universal Health Care does not work.
in my opinion I think you are an erogant consperitorialist and this is more than aparent from your report “Did we land on the moon”. I am completely aposed to every argument you have listed, these are my counter arguments for the previous points of information
1: quality health care is a right for al citizens and who suplise it would make no diferance.
2: if the US can put more mony to universal health care they can afford to buy high quality products
3: waiting time is already fenomenaly high because of our current sistem where people either buy their way up the line and push every one else behind him or they can’t afford to pay for health care. with universal health care will put the people before the money and it will allow every person to get quality care.
4, 5: canada is perfectly capable of suporting both socialist health care and socialist education and because of this the public becomes extremely involed with what hospital equipment will be required for medical centers. there is no death that is an extreme exaderation of the canadian health care system canada gives treatment to all citezens who need it, on the contrary it is only in America that people are not able to aford health care or are held away from treatment die.
6: Do evil to do good what kind of $#!+ is that, america does not have to rase taxes for universal health care all it realy neads to do is take a fraction of the bilions of dallars that are going to IraQ away from the war and we could have enough to afford quality health care for millions of americans (if it was posible to end the war in IraQ without doing damage to IraQ then we could easily afford health care for every individual curently living in america).
7: honestly! were did you get this $#!+. who decids the cost of those buisnesses? not the buisnes, not the government, not the public, the health insurance companies who look at nothing bu proffit.
8: The Iraq war is what is putting america in debt if it was ended we could easily afford Universal health care. but my real argument is that universal health care has been proven extensivly and it is far cheaper than our current system that isn nothing more than a confusing patch work of HMO’s ( Healtl Management Organizations)
9:on the contrary it would alow individuals to persu jobs that they are more comfortable in and can work well with without worrying about weither or not it provids health care. Small businesses could expand without the expenses of supplying health care to all the employees. Bigger companies would stop globalizing allowing more jobs to be available to Americans (bigger companies don’t like to pay for health insurance so they export their jobs. all because of universal health care.
10: man, what are you saying? Canada is doing good and it is mor comfortable and America has THE WORST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE INDUSTRIAL WORLD! look up US health care statistics and see what you find, don’t go to wikipedia any one who is as much of an @$$hole as you are can paist crap on that site.
I think you only say these things because it is easy for you to afford health care.
my critisism is over. I sugest you use your hardly earned money to go to Canadian citizen ship, get in a car crash and do either of these two options,
1 see how quikly you will get treated.
2 don’t come back.
Those are counter-points yes, many of which are incorrect. They do have worst products and longer waiting times in Canada; and I donnot go to wikipedia for anything other than group members of orginazations like the Bilderburg group and the CFR. All of which I have back-round checked. And by saygin “what kind of shit is that,” does not back up your point at all. All of my reasons are statistic based, or poll based. You can’t argue with facts.
I agree with mradwin, you definately cannot argue with the facts. I also wanted to point out that National Healthcare is a big scam that democrats have organized to brainwash all the citizens with low income. Hillary and Obama both seem like “Robin Hoods,” meaning that there are taking from the rich, and giving to the lazy poor.
oh poopy my darlins
You do have some good points, but I think you are mistaken in some areas.
1. You are right, it is not our government’s responsibility to provide us with health care. So who’s responsibility is it then? In my opinion, the government is the only think the American people have some control of. We vote right? We write to the people in congress, we organize groups, we rally other people to support our cause, etc. If insurance companies can’t and won’t provide the American people with affordable health care, than the government needs to step in and do something about it. After all, who among us has any control on what our insurance company does? If this is a true democracy, then it is We, the people, that control our government.
2. The quality of care will not plummet if we are realistic on the cost of health care and if we can make incentives for doctors to continue to work in America. Also, if Americans have access to preventive care, this will save a lot of time and money in the long run.
3. Waiting time will sky-rocket.
That is Canada for you. With the bill H.R. 676, we would be spending 5 times as much on health care as Canada. (That is per person not for the nation as a whole.) Waiting times will not sky rocket if health facilities are organized and if there is enough money to pay for the needed doctors.
4. Canada can only afford National Health Care because of a, “trade surplus,” with America.
Canada is not the only country with Universal Health Care- other countries pay for it on their own accord.
5. National Health Care eliminates the right of doctor-patient confidentiality.
And insurance companies don’t do the same thing?
6. America could only truly afford a National Health Care system through increased taxation.
Yep- with higher taxation, and reallocating money from other funds (Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP, etc) Is that a problem? Should we not all chip in to benefit from something such as UHC?
Let me ask you something else- do you have a voice? Are you capable of voting? Can you write to congress? Can you get a group together to appose higher taxes? Then do it.
The problem with this argument (calling it stealing) is that if the majority of American’s want Universal Health Care, even at the cost of higher taxes, they will get that. If the majority do not want higher taxes even if it means UHC, than they will get that.
The difference between someone stealing and congress increases our taxes, is that you do have a choice with the government raising taxes. If you really do not want higher taxes, than organize a group to disagree with that. When someone is stealing from you, it doesn’t matter how many people are against it, it still happens.
I also think that you should check out the bill H.R. 676. Assuming that you are already paying for health insurance, premiums and co-pays, then most likely the taxes needed for this bill will be less than what you are now paying for your medical costs.
Of course this bill is only planning on charging the top 5% of the richest Americans, (among other things) but if it weren’t, and the government decided to charge each person individually, it would be about $667 per person per year for full medical coverage. That averages out to be about $57 a month. Is that affordable? Yes.
7. Everyone in the US can already receives trematode through free-clinics, emergency card-care, and community hospitals.
Have you ever gone to a free clinic? We have one here where I live and it is only open on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 1:00 to 3:00 in the afternoon. If you want to be seen that day, you need to show up at about 8:00 in the morning. Now if free clinics were really that great- why would anyone bother paying for health insurance?
8. National Health care would just add to the amount of money government agencies are wasting to put America in debt.
Just because America is spending money on UHC does not mean that they have to get into more debt to pay for it. Yes, America’s government needs to reform their spending habits, No, UHC does not need to lower the government into more debt.
9. National Health care would destroy hundreds or thousands of jobs because they would eventually eliminate private practises.
Yes. Of course it would ‘destroy’ thousands of jobs because they are ‘for profit’ organizations. But it would also create thousands of new ones because few health care facilities are actually going to disappear because the government will only pay for patients to go to ‘not for profit’ health care facilities. Think about it- if you owned a business and the government said, “We’ll pay for American citizens to go there, but only if you’re not for profit.” Would you close your doors and shut down your business? Or would you be quick to change to a not for profit organization?
10. These are not theories. They are not guesses. All of these reasons are taken from and can be seen in other countries. Universal Health Care does not work.
I do not think that UHC is the cure all for everything. If the world were perfect, insurance companies would be the best way to go. Sadly, the insurance companies have become too greedy and UHC is the better option between the two. At least with Universal Health Care (and the bill H.R. 676) health care will be more affordable to Americans. With insurance companies, 47 million Americans are left without health insurance because of pre-existing conditions, they can’t afford it, or it is not available to them.
Also, what is your definition of Universal Health Care not working? Are too many people dying? Are too many people waiting too long to get the care they need? Is it too expensive?
If these are some of your reasons, then take a good look at how much a country spends on UHC, verses it’s effectiveness. Also look at how much Americans are spending with their HMO’s and then tell me how effective that seems.
Erica
Moms for Universal Health Care at cafemom.com
StarFox,
There is something terribly wrong about calling Obama’s plan or Hillary’s plan Universal Health Care. As a supporter for UHC, I am terribly against Obama’s plan and Hillary’s. Please do some more research on what ‘true’ Universal Health Care is, before judging it according to what Hillary and Obama say.
Eria
Moms for Universal Health Care at cafemom.com
StarFox,
There is something terribly wrong about calling Obama’s plan or Hillary’s plan Universal Health Care. As a supporter for UHC, I am terribly against Obama’s plan and Hillary’s. Please do some more research on what ‘true’ Universal Health Care is, before judging it according to what Hillary and Obama say.
Erica
Moms for Universal Health Care at cafemom.com